Would you prefer to date a BI guy or a Str8 guy?
And why?
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And why?
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:15 PMwhat little experience i have had was really nice.
yes, i would prefer it, b/c i hope it would mean that the guy has an equal amount of feminine and masculine energy, and would be able to match me in that way.
most straight men i have been with consider my bisexuality to be either a threat or an opportunity for "two girl on one guy" action - rather limiting and boring. they see nothing beyond the sexual, whereas i see at least my own bisexuality as a reflection of my inner mas/fem. nature, and it plays out in all of who i am - -
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:20 PMI agree completely with KaliKat. -
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 9:59 PMAs a bi guy I also completely agree with KaliKat.
=) In fact, KaliKat sounds dreamy. -
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 2:58 PMDitto Soulself!! I also find that when I end up dating "straight" women they "dont get it" and I end up being scrutinized.. it doesn't work so well for me.
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 5:38 AMI agree wtih Kali Kat. I view maculinity as inner strength and femine as nurturing.
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:01 AMl prefer bi everything.
Ali, who doesn't mean to sound so, um, classist or something....it's just all really hot -
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 12:02 AMAnd what Kali said.
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Bi everything for me, too.
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 4:13 AMNot that I have a strict "no monosexuals," rule or anything, but it's nice knowing that at least *those* issues won't be cropping up. -
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Re: Bi everything for me, too.
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:14 PMHah. Monosexuals. Love it!
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:38 AMMy current and last bfs are both straight but understanding of gays and bisexuals, and I haven't had any problems with it. In fact, my first boyfriend was bi, and he was probably my least favorite out of all of them.
So, I don't really have enough experience to say one way or the other, but so far I don't think I'd rally care one way or the other.
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 9:10 AMI will admit I do find them more Yummy....
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 9:14 AMBeing in a relationship where both are bi opens up so many doors to explore. So many more sexual adventures. It gives a whole new understanding of the MFM, FMF, MM, FF connection. -
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:54 PMTotally *eyes big, huge sheepish grin"
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Sat, March 29, 2008 - 3:11 AMFrom a bi man... and this falls into the Obvious, Duh! Category but..... I prefer women who prefer bi men. And in the less obvious category, there is something more delicious about sharing M2M love with a woman.
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:28 PMI've only ever dated one bi man, and we had *great* fun together, I have to say. But I've been in an LTR with a straight man for 20 years, and it's never been a problem. There are times when I'd have loved to have vicariously done some of our gay male friends through him <lol>, but it's never affected my quality of life or anything. I've never dated any women who weren't bi, though, and that has seemed easier, since they seem to understand why I like my guy, where some of my lesbian pals do not.
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:09 PMMy fiancé is bi, and over the course of our relationship (we're poly/swinger) she's moved further and further away from guys who aren't bi. She's said that she simply isn't as satisfied by the limitations strict heterosexuality impinge on sex.
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Sun, December 23, 2007 - 10:41 PMShe's said that she simply isn't as satisfied by the limitations strict heterosexuality impinge on sex.
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She has a point. One of the most common arguments (so to speak) that l run into with the men l date - and l've yet to date a bi man - is that l get both and they don't. When l say, well, yeah, but l don't mind you being with another female, they still often feel they're getting the short end of some stick that l'm apparently not holding. l'm not entirely sure why this is, and l've never understood that particular argument, if they're, well, STRAIGHT. Are they pissed they don't get to bone both genders and aren't wired that way? -
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Sat, January 12, 2008 - 7:09 PMMy (good) ex-husband was extremely clear with me that he was perfectly happy to have me having sex with women, but that he wouldn't stand for me having sex with another man. I tried arguing with him for ages that affection is affection regardless of gender, but a) he never got it, and b) I figured I was *not* getting the short end of the stick and so I just shut up about it. The ex was definitely not bi, though he had no issues with anyone else's sexuality. -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 8:21 PM<<he was perfectly happy to have me having sex with women, but that he wouldn't stand for me having sex with another man.>>
It's odd how many guys don't consider sleeping with another woman cheating. I actually had that agreement in place with more than one ex, although I don't remember ever using it. Well, except with my ex-husband, but he met me in my lesbian phase so we started out as a threesome.
I've only dated a few bi guys, but they definitely haven't been effeminate. In fact, all the crazy-edgy jumpin'-outta'-planes freaks I've dated have been bi guys.
I add to the general opinion that guys who are secure in their sexuality are just hot. Plus, they're a lot harder to offend. Ironically, I often manage to attract prudish, uptight guys, so any lack of repression is icing on my cake. -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 9:35 PMI have the odd feeling that you might describe me as a tad "uptight and prudish" after the discussion about my feelings re: BDSM. :P -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 5:33 PM<<I have the odd feeling that you might describe me as a tad "uptight and prudish" after the discussion about my feelings re: BDSM. :P>>
Doubt it. But, just in case, don't take it personally. MOST people are uptight and prudish when measured against my standards (which were heavily influenced by R.A.Heinlein, Timothy Leary and a ten year subscription to Playboy at a tender age). But really, I always manage to find the one guy in the crowd that doesn't drink, loves Mom, and never cheats on his taxes. You know, the kind of guy who is so square he doesn't even pee in the shower. Think Dharma and Greg straight....
Whereas, on the other hand, there's me. I don't have a single friend who hasn't seen me naked at one time or another. I like to hitch hike. I rarely use toilet seat covers. I've had sex in public and gotten applause for it. I used to shave my head but nothing else on my body. I don't give a rat's ass about most rules and authority figures unless they are somehow useful to me, to include most social rules about politeness and proper behavior. I accept without blinking things that most people would be turned off by but get all inordinately offended about things that are usually considered good things, like excessive hygiene. Cleanliness is not next to godliness, cleanliness is in aisle 6, right next to the damn diapers and other smelly shit.
And as for you personally, maybe I *would* describe you that way, but only because right off the bat you seemed to immediately judge me as too wild, too kinky, or whatever those "too" labels are that take my experience so far out of your personal comfort zone. I freely admit to being somewhat over the top. I prefer to set standards, not follow them. And I like to try new stuff. I don't mean to scare people away, though. Just because I'm a freak doesn't mean anyone else has to be. Each to his own. Diversity is what makes us interesting. But yeah, I'm a lot to take if you're at all "uptight and prudish"... -
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 5:54 PMAhh, yeah, I'm definitely not a Greg. I can get with the Stranger In A Strange Land idea, though I never cared for Heinlein's writing style. I guess it's kind of a pity, because I like the ideas, just not his presentation of them.
I seem to fall into a weird no-man's land with regard to these sorts of things. I'm too freakish for straight people and too straight for everyone else... seem to be perpetually unable to find that class of "free lovin' hippies" who have a relaxed way about gender orientation and partnering maps (poly / mono / etc), yet aren't also heavily into the whole D/s thing. The SM thing or even the bondage thing isn't really so much the issue -- they're not turn-ons for me, but they're not big turn offs either. I'd be okay with using a flogger on someone or tying them up if that's what they wanted (though I'm not *interested* in it). I even like trying new positions, toys, etc.
It seems like though that the people I meet mostly want genuine D/s play, which to me is just way too much like fucking my mother (or becoming her). Neither of which are at all appealing (which doesn't even have anything to do with incest -- she's just a totally unappealing person in every imaginable way). Being "dominated" by her is probably the primary reason I ended up in the relationship with my ex-wife and ultimately by the time that relationship was over 9 years later, was nearly incapable of accepting a blow-job from my current SO (who *wanted* to give them to me). So ... D/s ... yeah, no thanks. Had more than enough of that shit already, don't need any more.
Sorry... don't mean for it to sound ... well however it sounds... :P probably... was just intended to be an explanation of where I'm at and why, without any judgments on anyone else's kink preferences... it's frustrating, but it's mine and I know it's mine and it's only a reflection on myself not on anyone else. :) -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 3:46 PM<<It seems like though that the people I meet mostly want genuine D/s play, which to me is just way too much like fucking my mother (or becoming her)>>
I think I sort of know where you're coming from on this one. I don't really "get" role play. I've never been able to do it. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure what the point is. I tend to take things literally, which means that I miss the point of a lot of games like that. Just like I seem to be missing the ability to understand a particular variety of humor, I can't "pretend" in certain ways, either. I have yet to be able to wrap my brain around a lot of the D/s stuff for just that reason. It seems somehow contrived to me. But I like subspace a lot - that euphoric, floaty feeling I get from sensation play. I'm into the body/mind connection/disconnection and exploring that with people. I've played enough roles in my life. I'm not really eager to invent ones in bed. I'd rather just be me, and be beyond me. -
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Tue, February 5, 2008 - 5:38 PMNow that's more like it. :) I think "contrived" is a good way of describing how I feel about it much of the time, but I guess part of the reason I reject the notion of D/s play at least for myself is because I perceive that others need or want it to be non-contrived, to be a basic or "primal" need, which it's not for me. Though if it were, then it seems like it really would just be going back to that very manipulative and abusive parent-child relationship I had before and I have no desire to relive that in either role. So I guess in your case you are the "odd man out" I've been looking for at least in that respect. :) So if we were nearby and I could keep my knee from jerking too much, a romantic relationship between you and I might actually work out. Though Tiff has some of the same reactions to the subject of BDSM and for very similar reasons -- that people we've met seem to be way more "into" it than they realize and she has similar past abuse scenarios she's not interested in reliving (having had sex forced on her more than once). Which may say more about the people we've met than it does about BDSM in general. So between us, there's that issue that she can't really be comfortable with me being in a relationship where someone else wants me to be their Dom (which I'm not really interested in anyway) because of the potential that it might change the way I behave and bleed into the relationship between her and I. Much better for us to just omit the D/s thing in general.
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 12:19 PMInteresting question. While I've never been with a bi man, I've known some straight femmish men and wonder if bi men have a sort of femme quality to them? I like my men to be men, and my women to be women. Although in Shot at Love, Dani made me rethink that held belief, because it is interesting the male inside female personality (anyone notice that Bobby was female inside male?).
Bi guys, please don't take the following personally. I would like to bring this up for discussion purposes.
Back when AIDS first became known, it was apparent that it was spreading fastest in the male gay community. Something about male on male sex made it more risky. Therefore, it's always been a turn off for me because it seemed most dangerous. Perhaps that is a silly belief, but a hard feeling to shake. -
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 1:02 PMYup my impression is that folks are still a bit gun-shy, so to speak, when it comes to bi men for that reason.
As a result, I've felt I needed to play safer than your average person and get tested regularly, to maintain my reputation as a lower-risk bi guy. This strategy has kept me clean and my partners feeling a bit safer too.
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Mon, December 24, 2007 - 3:01 PMMust be nice for girls to be the gender that's encouraged by society to be bi-sexual, and not having the disease stigma, since it's pretty hard to pass HIV with your hand, or even your tongue.
I didn't take the whole AIDs thing personally, but I can't help but flinch when someone says that because a guy is bi, he isn't a "man."
Bi men aren't usually femme, in my experience, though they may be pretty. I have a problem with finding guys I like because I don't like effeminate men, so usually the guys I hook up with aren't gay, but just "part-time" cock lovers.
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 4:41 PMDon't take my comment personally. I've never personally had a friendship with a bi man, which is why I preceeded my comment with "I wonder if..."
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Re: Bi F's - Do you prefer Bi Men?
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 3:28 PM"While I've never been with a bi man, I've known some straight femmish men and wonder if bi men have a sort of femme quality to them?"
Some do, some don't.
"I like my men to be men, and my women to be women. Although in Shot at Love, Dani made me rethink that held belief, because it is interesting the male inside female personality (anyone notice that Bobby was female inside male?)."
Bobby was very unafraid of his fem side, which l really liked.
l tend to like men who are manly, but if they're so manly that they don't acknowledge and fear their feminine side, l'm not likely to be as into them. This is something l always look for in the men l date. Same goes for women - if they're tomboyish, awesome, so am l, but if they're so afraid of their femininity that all l see is the male, well, there's really no point in dating them. l guess l like my lovers and mates to be genderbalanced.
"Back when AIDS first became known, it was apparent that it was spreading fastest in the male gay community. Something about male on male sex made it more risky. Therefore, it's always been a turn off for me because it seemed most dangerous. Perhaps that is a silly belief, but a hard feeling to shake.''
lt was more common among gay males because anal sex was more common among gay males. The vagina is better built for penetration, and is usually more resilient for the simple fact that that is one of its purposes. Therefore, there are not likely to be microtears or broken capillaries or blood vessels, both are more common in anal sex because of the stretching that can happen if the anus is unaccustomed to that size penis. So is it the male on male that bothers you, or is it the anal? As Kim brought up somewhere, l believe, not all gay or bi men have anal sex, which means it's not necessarily more risky. And it's only more risky if the parties involved aren't having safe sex, or if any microtears happen and the partner doing the penetrating also has a scratch or wound on his penis. -
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Wed, December 26, 2007 - 10:21 AM<So is it the male on male that bothers you, or is it the anal? As Kim brought up somewhere, l believe, not all gay or bi men have anal sex, which means it's not necessarily more risky. >
Hmmm. Well I'd not really thought about it before, but I guess I'd have to say it's the anal that bothers me, because it's risky, because men having attraction to men doesn't bother me, I see it all the time here in LA. If I were dating a man who told me that he's bi, it would make me pause because I wouldn't know what to do with that information. I'm open minded and how could I say anything really without sounding like an idiot, since I'm bi? but it does bother me a bit plus I'm still working out how I feel about my bisexuality in conjunction with my faith, and I'd want the person I'm with to have the faith that I do and it's hard to find. I guess it would come down to, are we each other's primary because it would only work if there is one primary, and there is a commitment there that places you above other's needs if they are in a relationship with someone else. I've always gravitated towards men that were in relationships with other women, oddly enough, because I've never wanted someone to go nuts over me in love, it scares me, but at some point I would want that when I'm ready, and I'd hate the rug to be pulled out from under me if he decided he preferred making the male friend their primary. -
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Wed, December 26, 2007 - 10:25 PM"Hmmm. Well I'd not really thought about it before, but I guess I'd have to say it's the anal that bothers me, because it's risky, because men having attraction to men doesn't bother me, I see it all the time here in LA"
Okay, then let's be clear, because again, it's risky, but any unprotected sex is. Anal isn't risky if both partners are clean - and it'd be a real disservice to the men who engage in anal sex that are - or using protection.
"lf I were dating a man who told me that he's bi, it would make me pause because I wouldn't know what to do with that information. I'm open minded and how could I say anything really without sounding like an idiot, since I'm bi? but it does bother me a bit"
Okay (and you don't sound like an idiot, okay?), what bothers you? Now that you know that protected anal is less risky, what's the real deal?
"plus I'm still working out how I feel about my bisexuality in conjunction with my faith, and I'd want the person I'm with to have the faith that I do and it's hard to find."
There are men that share your faith. But you are limited, since it seems your faith doesn't condone homosexuality. l can't remember...are you a Christian? lf so (just for clarification), what denomination?
" guess it would come down to, are we each other's primary because it would only work if there is one primary, and there is a commitment there that places you above other's needs if they are in a relationship with someone else."
You mention 'primary', which implies you are poly.....but based on other opinions, l'm not sure if you are, so again, clarification, are you? lf so, l would like to share my personal opinion that having a primary does not mean that one person's needs are more important than the other's. To me it means that an understanding has been established that one is more connected - but no less important. Just sayin. :)
"'ve always gravitated towards men that were in relationships with other women, oddly enough, because I've never wanted someone to go nuts over me in love, it scares me,"
That's a challenging thing to share, and thank you for doing so. l, for one, feel that fear.
"at some point I would want that when I'm ready, and I'd hate the rug to be pulled out from under me if he decided he preferred making the male friend their primary."
So ask him up front which he prefers, and if you have a reason to be worried. But because you are both bi, what matters is making sure he will be honest with you about his attractions. lt's not like you're not both bi, so he might very well have the same reservations, no? This boils down to honesty, not preference. Hopefully, he will understand his own fears and your situation enough to tell you where his preference lies, and how that will relate to you. :) -
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Fri, December 28, 2007 - 1:29 AM<Okay, then let's be clear, because again, it's risky, but any unprotected sex is. Anal isn't risky if both partners are clean - and it'd be a real disservice to the men who engage in anal sex that are - or using protection. >
Well. I guess so.
<Okay (and you don't sound like an idiot, okay?), what bothers you? Now that you know that protected anal is less risky, what's the real deal? >
I dunno. Odds of condom breaking?
<There are men that share your faith. But you are limited, since it seems your faith doesn't condone homosexuality. l can't remember...are you a Christian? lf so (just for clarification), what denomination? >
I'm non-deominational Christian. There are men who share my faith, but none I know of that would accept my being bi, or are bi themselves. My faith doesn't condone it, but it's something I don't know how to address. I have contradictory feelings and thoughts on the subject.
<You mention 'primary', which implies you are poly.....but based on other opinions, l'm not sure if you are, so again, clarification, are you?>
I can't say for sure, but I think it would be nice to have a g-f and a b-f at the same time. Then my life would be complete so to speak. I think? Never done it so don't know for sure. But I feel I'm changing also, where maybe just one person would be better...people are far too complicated to have 2 people that close to me at once perhaps.
<"I've always gravitated towards men that were in relationships with other women, oddly enough, because I've never wanted someone to go nuts over me in love, it scares me,"
That's a challenging thing to share, and thank you for doing so. l, for one, feel that fear. >
Yea, I'm either the one going nuts over someone and my intensity scares someone else, or am the one who is aloof. It's never been both people feeling intense...at least I don't remember it ever being that way. *thinking* no...I don't think so. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:06 AM"<Okay (and you don't sound like an idiot, okay?), what bothers you? Now that you know that protected anal is less risky, what's the real deal? >
I dunno. Odds of condom breaking?"
Those are pretty low, as long as the lube is rubber-friendly. This is still assuming a worst-case scenario - that your bi man is (a) having sex with someone who is HIV positive, (b) that the condom will break, and (c) that both you and your bi man will contract HIV as a result.
lt's assuming a lot, despite the number of HIV positive people out there.
This is easily solved with regular testing of all parties involved, and careful screening in general. And that's still assuming the bi man you're hypothetically dating does anal.
"I'm non-deominational Christian. There are men who share my faith, but none I know of that would accept my being bi, or are bi themselves. My faith doesn't condone it, but it's something I don't know how to address. I have contradictory feelings and thoughts on the subject."
l would imagine you do. l don't believe you're alone in that particular dilemma.
"I can't say for sure, but I think it would be nice to have a g-f and a b-f at the same time. Then my life would be complete so to speak. I think? Never done it so don't know for sure. But I feel I'm changing also, where maybe just one person would be better...people are far too complicated to have 2 people that close to me at once perhaps."
Maybe, maybe not. l find one of the biggest benefits of that arrangement is having two people who understand me in unique ways, and it lessens the pressure of having to expect all of that from one person. But l would recommend some literature if you haven't done it before - there are some good guides that help explain how it all works and answer a bunch of common questions.
"Yea, I'm either the one going nuts over someone and my intensity scares someone else, or am the one who is aloof. It's never been both people feeling intense...at least I don't remember it ever being that way. *thinking* no...I don't think so."
l'm like that in some ways. l had the 'both of us being intense' thing, which is pretty overwhelming at times too. Wonderful, but overwhelming.
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Not to get all HIV-nerdy here, but...
Wed, December 26, 2007 - 12:11 PMIn addition to the mechanical issues (micro-tears, etc), it appears that some of the cells in the rectal lining are more susceptible to infection. This differences in cell structures (and the chemical environment) are one reason that unprotected oral sex is extremely low risk while anal is high risk.
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Mon, December 31, 2007 - 9:06 PMAnd this is why, despite my attraction to both sexes, I call myself pansexual and not bisexual. I like genderqueer folks...ie butch girls and femme-y guys. That's the way I like them. The whole "men being men and women being women" thing does little for me. Pansexual speaks to the fact that there are more than two genders ie. feminine female and masculine male. Most bi folks I run into don't get my desires. I just say I'm queer and save myself the trouble of explaining "pansexual" most of the time though. -
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Tue, January 1, 2008 - 1:06 AMI don't know why, but the term "pansexual" brings to mind that half goat half person thing playing the pan flute :-) -
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Sat, January 5, 2008 - 3:03 PMThat would be Pan, my God, and he doesn't look like that all the time. But he sure does have EQUIPMENT.
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 6:52 AM
He's hung like a goat?
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