I am going to deny myself sex and romantic love.
Sex and love are for other people, such as yourselves.
I'm too human to handle it.
Might as well quit my business ideas, too. Write myself off as a failure.
Turn into a Phoenix.
Sex and love are for other people, such as yourselves.
I'm too human to handle it.
Might as well quit my business ideas, too. Write myself off as a failure.
Turn into a Phoenix.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 5:09 AMKnock it off, dear.
I know how you feel.
But you are not a failure.
It is a phase, and you will rise again.
Life breathes in, and life breathes out.
Just keep it up.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 7:20 AMEven when you can't see anything promising up ahead,
You're still looking at limitless possibility.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 9:20 AMI don't know. Sometimes I think it's healthy to take a break and focus on other things for awhile. Relax. Fuggedabbouddit. -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Thu, April 3, 2008 - 11:54 AMWell, yeah true.
I think you just need to keep in mind the difference between "giving up" and "stepping back"
Point taken tho.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Sun, April 6, 2008 - 12:22 PMI'd love to forgetaboutit, but that is difficult when I see a world filled with happy, sexy couples, and/or that sexy, libidinous desire takes me over.....
There are many hot, fuckable, make-loveable men and women gracing this planet and (let's hope) my sheets.... ;-) -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:16 PMi beleave everyone has a soul mate out there and you will find him or her when you least expect it just never give up! in the mean time live life and have fun wink wink. life is to short live everyday like's your last and party like it is 1999! -
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Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:26 PMPersonally, I think there is way more than just one soul mate out there for everybody. Do you have any idea how many people are in this world? The trick is just to get out of the house more. Do unexpected things. That's how you meet unexpected people. -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Thu, April 10, 2008 - 8:16 AMyes i do, but i still think there is just one for everyone, you might find someone that fit's you but that don't mean he or she is your soul mate! i was very lucky to find my soul mate! but i was not looking for him we have 2 beautiful kid's togeter been to hell and back and servivied. togeter nothing is imposable now we are going to buy a home togeter! we swing and are poly friendly and i am bi. all i have to say is go out there make yourself known and let he or she come to you! when you least expect it love will find away to you! p.s me and my hubby been togeter for over 13 years now and still going strong! so though in your line and catch you the merman or mermaid of your dreams! -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 5:16 PMyes i do, but i still think there is just one for everyone, you might find someone that fit's you but that don't mean he or she is your soul mate!
we swing and are poly friendly and i am bi.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:14 AM
maybe it is different for everyone.
maybe some have one soul mate...
and/or find one and then stop looking
maybe some have more than one soul mate.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 4:15 PMAs l said, it wasn't a judgment; l was just curious about how she married those two ideas. Other than that, you're stating the obvious.
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Frustration...
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:47 AM
Linda
I love your expression of frustration!
It made me laugh.
with all due compassion to what you are going through - I think many of us have been there.
and mostly my laugh was at myself - for so easily identifying and relating to the "give-it-all-up-go-live-as-a-hermit-in-a-cave-on-a-mountaintop" urge.
try to be a little more easy on yourself, more compassionate.
maybe "rephrase" your past relationships - not as failures, but as the stepping stones that bring you that much closer to more and more satisfying relationships.
we need to learn from them - and this takes some personal work maybe... what worked and what didn't - and allow ourselves the dignity to not allow those things that didn't work to fall away.
Love yourself.
Make our relationship with ourselves based in love - not the mental abuse of beating ourselves up.
we attract those people who satisfy "something" in us
so if we genuinely believe that we don't deserve good relationships we won't get them.
For me...
I feel like we get one life - one great go at this wheel of life and there is great beauty and joy and happiness to be pursued and it is simply all out there for the plucking, the experiencing, so I gladly accept what comes along...
but, with all that being said... I am at the point that I cannot do bad relationships or bad romance.
I can't do the mental fallout of it - I prefer to spend my time on things that offer me greater satisfaction.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 12:52 AMLinda,
please don't
A Phoenix side representation of a burning fire inside...
Your not that.....
Lynn
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Sorry, but this is a long tired expression.
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 4:24 PM"I am going to deny myself sex and romantic love."
You've been doing that for years now.
"Sex and love are for other people, such as yourselves.
I'm too human to handle it."
Right. Because we're not and you are somehow above the very thing you strive hardest to attain.
"Might as well quit my business ideas, too. Write myself off as a failure.
Turn into a Phoenix."
Good lord. Melodramatic much? l'm sorry, but this is the *same* thing you've been saying for several years on this tribe. lf you want your life to be different and you don't like the way it's going, then CHANGE IT. We will support you through that phase. But quit coming here and making yourself out to be such a victim, as though you're not the charismatic and wonderful person you are. Play on that, and get a grip. K? Your complex isn't helping you, and it hasn't changed your situation. Good fucking gods. l'm sorry, but get over it. Please, for the love of every mythological god out there, get over it.
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Sun, June 8, 2008 - 10:09 PMAli and everybody, I can't or won't get over it.
That is the exact reason why I tend to avoid any kind of Sex and Poly/Bi/Kinky tribes these days.
I get ones like you, telling me to "get over it, already".
Well, guess what? I haven't got over it!
You guys are normal people. You've never been diagnosed with a mental illness.
I'd love to fuck MANY men and women. I enjoy elements of BDSM. I dream of shagging rock stars.
Trust me. I am NOT NORMAL.
I enjoy sex so much, I crave it, therefore I HAD to give up.
'Cause otherwise, I'd have to get up and try again.
And I'm through with trying!
I've been hurt, over and over. Celibacy ain't so bad, folks! Sure, I get the hornies, don't we all? There's self-pleasuring, fantasies, and reading steamy books, yes?
Sex is for normal people who don't have my kind of problems. Sex is for people who never give up. Sex is for people who never doubt themselves and their sex appeal.
Dammit, I KNOW I'm intelligent, sensual, witty, and have a lot to offer.
I just don't trust humanity to see it for themselves. People are not that perceptive, in my book.
There is much I do not want to look at in myself, which I must, anyway. Some of it is actually GOOD stuff!
Self-honesty, growth, and facing all my stuff are JUST PLAIN HARD WORK.
I find it's extremely tough to get over my loneliness while all alone.
It's like finding out about sex solely through masturbation! At some point, there's the fine art of finding a loving partner to share that with!
And folks, I just ain't normal enough or "together" enough to do that.
I know I'm very cruel to myself. One of my character defects.
I avoid Sex Tribes a lot these days, so that you guys won't hear me complain as much.
Ali, you can't fix me. I don't believe you want to. You're healthier than that, girl!
It's me that's got to fix my broken, magnificent old self.
Nobody else can make me happy. 'Cept me.
I have moved 300 miles North of the SF Bay Area, to a remote area with very few people. God told me two. I've been here since last December. It's a lot saner for me.
I miss many things about the SF Bay Area. All the sex clubs and events, for one. Places I couldn't bring myself to go to, because they were painful reminders of all the sex I don't get and the kind of person I will never be.... normal, confident, and just as good as all of you who have money, cars, education, sex lives, and jobs....
'Cause I'm nobody. I just do Lightwork. And write, and do art. We all know how America is about artists, writers, and lightworkers. I'm a "behind the scenes" kinda girl.
If history remembers me after I die, I will be VERY surprised! I don't feel worthy of recognition.
I'm headed to Wal-Mart to buy myself some Self-Esteem. -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Mon, June 9, 2008 - 1:52 AM"Well, guess what? I haven't got over it!"
Apparently.
"You guys are normal people. You've never been diagnosed with a mental illness."
That makes you neither special nor worthy of excuse. Being "normal" doesn't mean life is easy. And l don't think you can tell anyone/everyone in this tribe they've never been diagnosed with a mental illness. l have. So please don't attempt to convince me you have it harder.
"I'd love to fuck MANY men and women. I enjoy elements of BDSM. I dream of shagging rock stars.
Trust me. I am NOT NORMAL. "
You just defined 'normal' for a good number of people.
"I've been hurt, over and over."
Again, you're preaching to the choir.
"Celibacy ain't so bad, folks! Sure, I get the hornies, don't we all? There's self-pleasuring, fantasies, and reading steamy books, yes?"
Then quit talking about how miserable it makes you.
"Sex is for normal people who don't have my kind of problems. Sex is for people who never give up. Sex is for people who never doubt themselves and their sex appeal."
What in the sam hill are you talking about???
Who do you think resides on this planet with you? You think people who are sexually active never doubt themselves or their sex appeal? Catch a clue, honey. Your problems don't make you much different, and they don't make you special. lf your mental illness is getting in the way (and l've said this many times to you before), GET HELP. WORK THROUGH IT. Take meds, and figure out what you need to do to be happy and to have a healthy sexual life.
"I just don't trust humanity to see it for themselves. People are not that perceptive, in my book. "
That's a flat cop-out. lf 'humanity' doesn't see how witty and cool you are, it's because you're not projecting that. lf your positives are hiding behind your negatives, the negatives are all anyone will see. Don't blame others for your refusal to let yourself out.
"And folks, I just ain't normal enough or "together" enough to do that."
Then if that's what you choose to believe, that will be the truth.
"Ali, you can't fix me. I don't believe you want to. You're healthier than that, girl!"
You're right. l don't. l don't want to, l'm not trying to, and even if l were, l can't. But l'm starting to suspect this is a shpiel you throw out there every time you're just wanting someone to tell you what you want to hear, and that clearly isn't working. Then again, nothing is. You are committed to the rut you're in, and as long as that is the case, you will remain there.
"It's me that's got to fix my broken, magnificent old self.
Nobody else can make me happy. 'Cept me."
Then why aren't you?
"Places I couldn't bring myself to go to, because they were painful reminders of all the sex I don't get and the kind of person I will never be.... normal, confident, and just as good as all of you who have money, cars, education, sex lives, and jobs...."
Oh, cry me a river. l've got minimal college education, no car, no fucking money (and l mean none; right now l have two dollars to my name), a pathetic sex life, and my job only barely covers my bills. ls that my problem? Yeah, it is. l got myself here, and because l want something different with my life, l'm putting myself out there in different social environments to attract what l need, l'm addressing my personal and emotional issues, and l'm working on getting as many jobs as necessary in order to make the money l need. This "l'm so much less and you'll always be so much better" guilt trip doesn't work when you're addressing people who may not be much better off than you.
"'Cause I'm nobody. I just do Lightwork. And write, and do art. We all know how America is about artists, writers, and lightworkers. I'm a "behind the scenes" kinda girl."
lf you continue to see yourself that way, then sure.
"If history remembers me after I die, I will be VERY surprised! I don't feel worthy of recognition."
You know what? l'll remember you as the woman who had the power to take control of her life, and didn't. l'd rather remember you as one who did. But that's up to you. -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 9:29 PM<<the kind of person I will never be.... normal, confident, and just as good as all of you who have money, cars, education, sex lives, and jobs....">>
>>Oh, cry me a river. l've got minimal college education, no car, no fucking money (and l mean none; right now l have two dollars to my name), a pathetic sex life, and my job only barely covers my bills. ls that my problem? Yeah, it is. l got myself here, and because l want something different with my life, l'm putting myself out there in different social environments to attract what l need, l'm addressing my personal and emotional issues<<
What she said. Totally. Please stop complaining about what you don't have in your life and start looking for the things you would like to have in it. Change your focus (and what you talk about) to the good things and more of them will come to you, if for no other reason than people will be more inclined to listen to what you say.
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Fri, June 20, 2008 - 8:59 AM.
What *IS* normal?
does a lack of diagnosis make me normal?
in one way or another *EVERYONE* posting here is trying to reach you.
to tell you that *normal* is not real.
are you your diagnosis... or is your diagnosis you?
you HAVE a choice.
even when we feel we don't...
we CAN be more.
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Wed, June 11, 2008 - 1:18 AMSometimes you have to take a break from everything, and then when you're not looking for it at all you'll find what you're looking for or what you want. -
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Re: quitting sex and romance for myself......
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 6:04 PMI rarely visit the sex tribes these days. That's because I hear people telling me to "quit whining". I also don't spend as much time online because I'm busy getting myself a life.
That said, it's all too easy for me to forget that other people might have problems similar to mine. Especially when I rarely socialize and haven't yet found a job, a car, or people to date and love.
I forgive myself for all the time I spent in self-denial and negativity. I'm willing to examine my failures, for the sole purpose of learning from them.
I won't spend time in here telling you guys about all the stuff I am doing to address my issues. I'll let the results speak for themselves. If you are that interested in me and my life, then you can ask. ;-) If not, God bless you.
And yes, I tend to see Lack of a Mental Health Diagnosis as "Normal". I have some anger and resentment at "normal" people. Perhaps if I let myself become more like them (or at least find a paid job, get reliable transportation--a car--and find a special somebody or two to date), there won't be any room for resentment or excess regrets.
I just had to become sufficiently sick and tired of the same old stuckness, to find the willingness and ability to move beyond it. This hasn't been an overnight process. It's taken me years of hard work.
Ali, I had no idea your life was this tough. As stated before, I rarely visit these Sex Tribes. I got tired of hearing about everybody else's (supposedly) magnificent (read: sluttier-than-thou) sex life.
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Tue, June 24, 2008 - 8:26 AM> I forgive myself for all the time I spent in
> self-denial and negativity. I'm willing to
> examine my failures, for the sole purpose
> of learning from them.
that is wonderful... and now how about being just as honest with how wonderful you are?
you know you are, you know you have little gems of light that you keep hidden, even from yourself.
how about holding them up to the light for yourself at first, but then as your courage increases letting others see those jewels too.
I think the point I was trying to make by my "lack of diagnosis" discussion is that...
if the "experts" look hard enough we ALL have a diagnosis.
gandhi (anorexic?), einstein(anti-social?), jesus (martyr complex?)
And last, yes you are in a process. we all are...
embrace the process, love it and allow it to do what it will...
don't take it personal when you slip-up.
personally I don't think there is such a thing as failure - just learning.
when a baby is learning to walk - we don't say he is a failure when he falls.
each fall is part of the process of learning to walk.
as adults we have that choice - each time we fall we can call it failure or we can see it as part of a larger process.
unfortunately societal pressure to *succeed* (usually at any cost) make us particularly touchy about our falls.
The great thing about being sick and tired of being stuck - is that in many ways it is one of our ways of kicking our own ass - to summon more boldness - to encourage us to push in to unknown territories - onward to greater and greater loves, discoveries and wonder.
It is our sos signal to ourselves - and again we can choose to listen or chose to be miserable.
Personally, Linda... I think you have made your choice - and just posting this here is your way of announcing that you are beginning to make real change - that the procrastination and uncertainty is becoming less impactful and that the path unfolding before you is stunning and beautiful and hopeful and full of awe and yes a little scary.
good luck on that path and know that you have support here.
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Thu, June 26, 2008 - 11:43 AMHello, Tom. Yes, I have "gems" as well as dirt.... like a valuable mine!
My gems: I'm very intelligent, witty, affectionate, love many people and things, sing beautifully, and if I must say so, myself, I know how to really turn myself and others on sexually.
I know how to give myself orgasms and the most amazing soul-flights. I have psychic and artistic as well as literary abilities and talents.
The thing is, have a balanced view of myself, accept and make amends for my mistakes, and stay safe, sane, happy, and productive.
Just living a full, happy life is a LOT OF work.
I forgive society for its ignorance, its judgements and shame and mistakes. I do have a vast desire and ability to heal the world using my thoughts, words, love, and of course sheer pleasure at it all.... despite the challenges I and others face...
Life is still worth living, IMHO, no matter what faces me and all of us. I am the love that I seek. I like lovemaking!
I'm glad, overall, that I enjoy both men and women sexually. I love to hug. I'm very affectionate. I'm a great "hands-on healer". Yum......
I look forward to fucking somebody's brains out again...... guy or girl..... most likely a guy.....
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People are still putting energy and attention into this?
Fri, June 27, 2008 - 12:47 PMBuggers credulity.